He loved the big equipment and decided to enter an apprentice training program to become a heavy equipment operator/operating engineer upon completion of high school. In the program he worked on the job as an operating engineer apprentice as he learned about the work in class. He was always the one to tutor anyone who struggled in classes.

Based on his good communication skills and his excellent organizational skills, he offered his current position of apprenticeship coordinator ten years after completing the program. During a typical day, he meets with prospective apprentices, contacts his current apprentices and their employers, and sometimes teaches a class.